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The Oxford Club...investment club?? or Scam?

November 16th, 2009 at 07:49 am

Over the weekend BB's grandparent's came to visit us for a nice vacation.

Yesterday, BB's grandfather pulled BB aside and gave BB a $50 bill and a newsletter. He told BB to invest in a government gas rebate program and that he would get $300 every month if he signed up. (Or something like that- this is second hand information as I was busy in another room and never saw any of it.) BB just shows me the newsletter and money this morning and tells me his grandfather gave us a great tax break tip.

I took the newsletter to work to read it, and because I was too lazy to even open the 16 pg document I went straight to the CPA in our office asking if he has heard of a tax rebate on gas. The CPA has not heard of it and asked to see the newsletter.

Immediately there are alarming headlines in it... "The Best Kept Secret in this $1.6 Trillion Dollar Industry"..."Collect Fat Monthly Checks Thanks to the Government"..."How You Can Start Receiving Your Extra 3 Checks Every Month." ...with graphs and so so many propaganda paragraphs from "quotes" from current members who talk about retiring early and doubling portfolio's to talk of "$126,850% Gains...on This Global Retail Giant."

I look The Oxford Club up online and there are alot of personal opinions on forums that it is a scam, and there are a lot of personal talk on forums that it is a legitimate investors club. (I know that scammers will pose as legitimate members to improve their credibility.) It is NOT listed in "rip off report" as a scam.

I think it is a Ponzi scheme of some sort. I think I will send in my $50 for a membership and receive a booklet of what "Gas" companies to invest in and I will invest into a Ponzi scheme.

Here's the kicker: I told BB all this and he goes: "So what it if it is a scheme? We send in $50 and invest some money and get a check for $300? We just made huge returns! Why not do it?"

I responded: "Because they only give you those returns upfront- then they disapear and you never get any more checks."

BB said: "So what? We still made a ton of money even if we only get one check. What is the harm?"

I said: "Because then they give you a huge return so you will take all that return and also more of your own money to get more shares. It's not a big deal sending them $50, but then after we get a check we will want to send them $500. And we may never hear from them again."

BB then tells me "Ohhh...I see. Ok, well how about we just do it this one time for the big upfront return and then never again?"

How do I argue with that logic? It almost makes sense!

Anyways, BB can do it if he wants to use his grandfathers $50 that way. Although I think the $50 is only a membership fee and then we need to actually invest in the stocks they suggest.

My concerns are: I assume that BB's grandfather has been doing this for 2 months. The newsletter is dated September 15, 2009. I am scared about how much the grandfather has invested in this club. He told both BB and BB's father to invest in it and is a big believer in it. The grandfather is a big stock market believer and has always put his earnings into the market with careful consideration and precision. Over the course of his life, while working as a telephone operator for his whole life, BB's grandfather has managed to earn somewhere (family guestimates) in the million dollar or more range from the stock market. The whole family trusts the grandfathers judgement when it comes to stocks. I am concerned that this club could end up taking advantage of the whole family when it stops returning dividends.

I am concerned because there are a few financial advisors "quoted" in this newsletter about advising clients to use this club. I have a financial advisor...I am frightened that financial advisors could fall into this trap without their clients even knowing what is going on. I know it happened with Madoff...I worry it would happen to my financial advisor. Is there a way I can upfront tell my advisor that I do not want my money invested in a "too good to be true" fashion? Even if he becomes a believer in whatever program he gets swept up in? Or am I just at the mercy of his judgement?

I am grateful that the Bernie Madoff thing was such a huge newsbreaking story. I had previously never heard of a ponzi scheme and otherwise probably would have invested in this club and then REALLY invested in this club when I saw the returns.

So...anybody using The Oxford Club? If I get a positive response from a long term member of this forum- I give that responce a lot more credibility than any of the online searches and "quotes" from this newsletter. Should I even do it BB's way and invest an initial amount for a big upfront payoff then stop using the service? How can BB or his father break it to the grandfather that this is most likely a scam without crushing the grandfather's ego?

114 Responses to “The Oxford Club...investment club?? or Scam?”

  1. Broken Arrow Says:

    So, this is how ponzi schemes work right? They ask for a little bit of money, and promise you a ton in return. Some will even PAY you a small dividend while you're with them, so you'll think it's legit and you'll buy even more of their shares. But while you may think you have X shares into that, you really have nothing. Because your money went to pay off the interest of somebody else before you who also bought in and so forth. And of course, they pocket anything that's left as their own money.

    But you'll keep doing it because your computer or company letter says you have X shares. And even if they don't pay you anything, even $5 would validate their technique, so they'll keep pushing the scheme towards more and more people.

    The logical question shouldn't be, "It's not a lot of money, so what have you got to lose?" The logical question should be, "It's a ponzi scheme, so why would I want to validate and encourage their illegal business practices?"

    As for him grandfather? Were it up to me, I would gently but plainly break it to him. He needs to know, but no matter how you say it, it's not going to take the sting and shame away. So, you might as well shoot straight and fast, but still as gently as you can.

  2. Ima saver Says:

    I too, believe it is a scam. If it is too good to be true, then it is NOT true. I think I would break it to grandfather as nicely as possible. Please don't invest.

  3. gamecock43 Says:

    "The logical question shouldn't be, "It's not a lot of money, so what have you got to lose?" The logical question should be, "It's a ponzi scheme, so why would I want to validate and encourage their illegal business practices?""...good point. If we get involved even for 1 month we are setting up the company to target someone a little more ignorant to invest more than they have to lose. I dont want to do that. BB and I will not participate in this, and I will talk to BB after lunch about how to best break the news to the grandfather. We have to get him to pull out immediately- I am so worried about how much money might have already been invested.

  4. monkeymama Says:

    I don't know anything about this, but all I know is the "if it sounds too good to be true" rule. Thus, if it were me, the newsletter would go straight to the trash.

    As a CPA, I can't really give investment advice, but this is where I draw the line. I always voice my opinion on scammy things. If you had come to me, I'd ask if you were crazy.

    Or maybe it doesn't matter. I have a handful of clients who constantly fall for these schemes and will never learn. SOrry to say, this can't be the first "scam" Grandpa has fallen for. Certain people are just very gullible. PEople either tend to fall for these things and never learn, or never fall for them in the first place. (Though we did have a "smart" client lose a hefty six figure sum in a Ponzi scheme recently - it happens. But usually I am telling the same person over and over that they shouldn't believe everything they hear).

    Grandpa will probably have to learn the hard way - I doubt he'd listen. Though if you warn him and he gets burned, he may trust you in the future.

  5. monkeymama Says:

    Reminds me, "Mary Kay" is a "legitimate business." But I know quite a few people who were burned as MK consultants, etc. There will always be stupid people praising a ponzi scheme!

  6. gamecock43 Says:

    Well, when the Madoff thing went down I was surprised I had never heard of him before. I thought I was up to date with financial heavy weights and realized I was so far out of the ring that though thousands of people lost money on one of the biggest financial schemes ever, no one I even knew was rich enough to get involved in his ponzi scheme. It seemed like an uber-rich type of scam. Now I was invited to participate in a ponzi scheme. Someone does think I have enough money to become a target! I almost feel flattered to be invited in a weird way.

  7. Analise Says:

    Sounds like a scam to me, a Ponzi scheme of some sort. Logic tells me it can not be a sustainable investment. There is probably fine print somewhere.... investors can be held liable for losses. I would avoid it.

    I feel sorry for people, especially trusting older folks, who fall for this type of thing. The power of advertising seduces many a person to part with their common sense and their cents!!

  8. merch Says:

    The red flag with Bernie was th eno name accounting firm. $65 billion and you are using a firm no one heard of?

    As for this, if it has such stellar returns why would you offer people to join the club. 1 month 50 = 300, 2nd month 300 = 1,800, 3rd month 1,800 = 10,800, 4th month = 64,800; 5 th month 64,800 = 388,800; 6th month 388,800 = $2.3 million.

    Do you think that there is anyway $50 can be turned into $2.3 million in six months?

    when people promise easy money, I run. It's hard to be taken by a scam if you aren't greedy.

  9. merch Says:

    Source: http://www.stockgumshoe.com/2008/12/claim-your-gas-rebate-check-oxford-club.html

    These are just Canadian Income Trusts or Canadian Royalty Trusts like HTE and PWE. Canadian tax laws are set to change in 2011 so the pass through income will not be tax free.

  10. Broken Arrow Says:

    Just wanted to second the caution not to expect too much when you talk to his grandpa. Regardless of age, some men will still need to learn some things the hard way, and on their own.

    Out of respect and caring, I too would warn him about it, but make sure to let him make the final decision about what to do. No matter what it is, once that decision is made, I would just respect it and move on with your life.

    Good luck!

  11. whitestripe Says:

    so how exactly does this company/club make the money? I mean, I know if it is a scam they make the money from the investors - but if it is legitimate, the return they promise has to come from somewhere. you mentioned a gas rebate program? if i were investing money into something that 'could' be a huge thing, i would want to know every single detail about how they get their money, if not for my financial safety then for the impacts the company could be having on other people, the environment, the economy etc etc.

    are they just leeching money through a tax loophole? are they ripping someone else off down the line?
    who is really affected by this?
    if it turns out to be a true investment possibility; does that neccesarily mean it's good for everyone?

  12. ceejay74 Says:

    If it's a ponzi or pyramid scheme (which it certainly sounds like, if only from the returns they promise), then BB and Gamecock's initial investment would go to appease the people already in the scheme, and their payout would come from the next people to invest. Eventually the scheme usually crumbles because the bottom of the pyramid needs to keep getting bigger and you run out of suckers--er, investors--so the organization collapses. Or some of the bigger investors get suspicious and demand all their money. Since the money was never actually invested in anything, just passed up the chain, there was no growth in finances, and once people stop investing and want money back, it crumbles very quickly. At least that's how I understand it.

  13. Jerry Says:

    I smell a rat, at the very least. Who knows exactly what they are doing with the money they receive? It should lead a critically-thinking individual to ask some hard questions, but the "club" has pretty good insurance that there is a significant subset of the population that will respond to these kinds of come-ons. I have family among them, alas. You can't control your grandfather, nor should you as long as he is mentally able to make decisions... you can only warn, and then wince. Good luck.

  14. creditcardfree Says:

    I'd be leary just because of sending my check with my banking information to a company that I cannot validate as legitimate.

  15. LuxLiving Says:

    The $50 in this case is buying into the club so you are basically paying for their newsletter, that tells you how to invest in the gas return, correct? So, they aren't selling the gas stocks themselves. They are just selling you so called 'insider information' via the club's newsletters/whitepapers/etc.

  16. Spartacus Says:

    I could tell by the responses that there aren't too many investors here. They are selling a subscription to their investment newsletter for the $50. Their newsletter offers reccomendations for stocks, some of which are oil & gas stocks, Reits. Trusts & MLP's. These pay monthly or quarterly distributions. In this way you are in effect getting back some of the money you pay for gas by investing directly into the oil & gas companies. It's not a scam, but the way in which they try to grab peoples attention by their advertising could lead one to believe so.

  17. Jim Barr Says:

    The Oxford Club is not a scam. I was a member for several years and made a lot of money on their recommendations, i.e. Chesapeak Engergy, Fording Coal, BHP etc. One they recommended that I wish I had bought was Intuitive Surgical(surgical robots) It has more than doubled in the last few years. They do not invest your money, only make recommendations in their news letter. They do want to sell advance memberships that are more expensive. I subscribed to the basic membership only.

  18. Thrace Says:

    Okay, well, I worked for The Oxford Club for almost two years and first I'll tell you that it's not a scam. They're based in Baltimore in a nice old mansion that they restored and it's actually a very beautiful place.

    The way the membership works is that they sign you up and they send out monthly newsletters along with periodic "action alerts" where they give people advice on investment opportunities all over the world. They get their advice legitimately through people whom they employ in a consulting capacity, and they carefully structure their investments so that people are getting in early on some investments where the cost is low and the rewards high or, at the very least, losses are very low.

    Not necessarily penny stocks, but sometimes close to it. It's very easy to say you helped someone get a 300% return if they invested $100 and wound up earning $400, right? Still, though, it allows people to make some investments and if they want to invest more they can.

    The secret is that they do these mass mailings every month to keep an active membership role. They have it down to a science. They know that if they send out 150,000 letters, they'll get, for example, 4% of that in new members. They break even at 2%, so the rest means they are increasing club revenues.

    But long story short, it's legit, just not what you might call "high powered." They do help members earn some revenues and protect assets they might already have through advice which comes through the club's investment consultants. As you know, with tax codes being so complicated, they can dole out some pretty useful advice and help people in general because most people (including myself) don't know how to invest.

    And I believe you can even write in with questions and they will give advice back. The key is, it's your money you invest, you give them nothing. They're not interested in investing for you, they want you to subscribe. And if it doesn't work out, you can cancel.

    Hope that helps.

    FYI - I'm protecting my identity because I still work in the financial industry and don't want to burn any bridges with my old company.

  19. dthomas Says:

    I have been a member of the oxford club since 2003. It could not possibly be a ponzi scheme as you suggest as you don't invest with them directly. They simply make recommendations for stocks, options, etf, etc. I've been quite successful with their recommendations. I have to admit I am a member of the Chairmans Circle, which is not inexpensive to join, but I have no regrets as my portfolio continues to grow even as market tanks. They also suggest you use strict trailing stop orders to help with any downfalls in the market. I am happy and would truly recommend their services. Like I said, I've been a member since 2003 and would have been out long ago if it was a scam. I've never sent any money to them other than membership dues and I trade my own account with Optionsxpress with the recommnedations they make and prior to that used a brokerage firm. I left the brokerage firm only to save money on brokerage fees and am happy with optionsxpress as well.

  20. Ron Says:

    Question for dthomas... do you find the Chairmans Circle worth the investment? I have been a regular subscriber for 18 months now and overall am very pleased with the service.

  21. fin Says:

    i need to know how to mget the info oxford sends me out from all the advertising i get from the many firms i get newsletters from as i am just learning and feel the really important tips get submerged ! suggestions i think they are legit and ,i echo the sentiments above.

  22. Gone Fishin Says:

    To add to dthomas, the Oxford Club also has a very well known president, Alex Green. For anyone looking more into a Mutual Fund style portfolio, check out his book "Gone Fishing Portfolio". It is a good easy to understand strat.

  23. Rick Carrigan Says:

    The Oxford Club is not a scam. I have been using the services for 7 years now and have made a lot of money using them. I am a Chairman's Circle member which is the most expensive membership and have made my membership costs over many, many times. I to, as one poster above, made very good money with Chasepeake Energy, BHP, Fordling Coal and Intuitive Surgicle, which I wish I had never sold, lol (would have been a 10 bagger). I do find the constant emails from some of their sister company's irritating, but with the returns I am getting I will put up with that. I am very pleased with the service.

  24. Thor Says:

    Simply a scam... period!

  25. thomasbleser Says:

    These comments are extremely helpful. I've been on email lists like Investment U and before that Oxford Club. This does put you on junk snailmail sucker lists that tend to clog your PO box with dangerous clutter. Usually the fees are so large I never have any money left to invest. The "free" stuff they do send you is tantalizing, sort of like a "dance of the seven veils" that never quite let's you see what's really interesting. The way I handle this stuff is to copy and paste from websites like this to an email document that I attach when I forward promotional emails from the OC to family members.

  26. Shawn Says:

    I see they're pretty much not a scam. They have never said they're investing for me. they just give advice. The advice my broker gave always seemed a little fishy. Then I hear from the oxford club that brokers lie to their customers. So then I saw why he always sounded so fishy. Then the advice they gave, before ever investing I waited and always did a technical analysis. And the stock they recommend, The volume shot up like the space shuttle. But not every piece of advice they give will be excellent. No one or thing is perfect!!!

  27. TASMA ROYCE Says:

    I am Australian am I able to join The Oxford Club
    Tasma Royce

  28. Rick Froese Says:

    Tasma: Apply online. You'll see for yourself that the Oxford Club Portfolio/s are well worth the investment. Just check Market Watch's Hulbert Financial Digest and he gives the Oxford Club a very good rating--and that's over some years now. Forget the oil-scam stuff and concentrate on their main suggestions.

    This is their note on their Dec 2010 'Communique':

    Dear Member,Looking back, 2010 has been another great year for Oxford Club members.
    There have been bumps along the way, of course. But we got the big picture right. And made buckets of money as a result.
    (Even Peter Brimelow of the independent Hulbert Financial Digest
    wrote a recent column on MarketWatch citing The Oxford Club’s “dramatically successful” long-term track record.) (Now that's independent testimony of one who looks at ALL financial newsletters. This is very legit--and I'm making money on a monthly basis.

  29. Mr Donald Lagani Says:

    Seek furthor info

  30. chris Says:

    send me $50 i'll send you free advice. I think it is logical. they make there money on your $50. or why would they tell you any thing. I'll tell you what I think about he stock market. now and then. my website. is www.chrissjunk.com This is a new site. i'm not charging any one for any thing. unless I put something on there for sale.

  31. Gelston1950 Says:

    I have serious doubts about things like this. Heck, I even have little faith in stock brokers, advisors, consultants and the like. My question to them is always the same; "If you are so good at what you do, why are you still working for a living". Seems to me if these people really know what they are doing they would not still be working a full time job. They would already have their fortunes.

  32. Gored Bull Says:

    Be reasonable...use your common sense...advise is cheap...do NOT get greedy-ever !DUTCH

  33. mytwobits Says:

    Actually, all it is an investment newsletter sold as a club. There is no direct payout from them or investments you buy from them. Just advice and picks to follow or not.

  34. Doug Says:

    It is not a s.cam. I have subscribed for 3 years and have been very happy

  35. Jim Says:

    This is not a scam. It is payment for investment advice. When I initially started investing I took the advice of brokers, i.e. Pfizer, Microsoft etc. I really did not make any money in fact I lost on Pfizer. After subcribing to the Oxford Club and investing in some of their suggestions I did very well. I advised my son of some of their suggestions and he also did very well. When he told his broker what he wanted to buy they tried to talk him out of it. He was so successful that they started asking him where he was getting his advice. I really wish I had followed more of their advice as I am now retired and don't want to risk my 401K. Especially with the present congress and president.

  36. maus Says:

    Well, I've become Oxford club member for a couple of months and was disappointed with the fact that they can change their buying price in their portfolio after recommending a certain share that went down the next day. 2 days after the Fed announcement the buy price in their portfolio was updated from 23.44 to 21.31.

  37. Jane Says:

    I am a subscriber and it just sends you advice, some great and some not...they seem to make money off the other newsletters that are very pricey and which again can be good or bad but the big returns they promise seems to come from options and they only tell you the great returns not the big losses...of course. My boyfriend fears it is a scam for options folks...run up the price so they can make money...so who knows..but for $50 it gives you some ideas that you can research more

  38. Ryan Says:

    I happen to know that no employee of the Oxford Club (or its affiliated companies) can purchase the picks that they recommend until 48-hours have passed since they published the information to the public (emailed, updated website, etc...).
    It is a very legitimate company that honors its guarantee, tries to make its members as happy as possible while also helping them to become as rich as possible.
    Hope this has some sort of positive impact on your feelings about The Oxford Club.

  39. harris m freedman Says:

    I am a member of Oxford Club, I have lost a lot of money on their
    bond picks. I put a lot of money in EIX a utility on the west coast.
    I purchased the bonds on their recommendation, they gave false info
    that the bonds were tied to the stock...Wrong, and the bonds stopped
    paying the interest.

  40. sam Says:

    I've gotten duped by sales pitches a few times in my life. I've learned that many scams have one thing in common: they hype, hype, hype, and the point of their sales pitch seems to never come. I listened to the Oxford Club founder's speech for a few minutes, got bored with all the hype and fear tactics, recognized that there was no substance in anything I had yet heard, and closed the page.

    Want me to see you as trustworthy? Get to the point, and value my time. Scammers rarely do either.

  41. David Jenkins Says:

    Pitty! So many of the respondents appear to be uninformed, misinformed and inexperienced. The Oxford Club is a club but it also is publishing company. They try to give good advice but you never lose sight of the fact that are always trying to sell newsletter subscriptions. I have been a member for many years and I have made my subscription costs back many times over! Try the Insider Alert and the Momentum alert. May you do as well as I have.

  42. Bill Moskowitz Says:

    I have reviewed some of the Oxford Club booklets, and can’t make a judgement based on experience. Yes, They do make money on interminable subscriptions. I have not seen where they actually sell or broker any particular stock, but they do go to great lengths to recommend and support a few specific ones. Bill Moskowitz

  43. Steve Says:

    I occasionally receive the Oxford Club emails. I have not yet subscribed to their newsletters or joined, but plan to do so today for $49...a promotional price. The Oxford Club has been reviewed and given high marks by many of the major financial publishing companies, including Forbes.

  44. Harvey Belote Says:

    I belong to the Oxford Club with a basic membership! I try to invest my money by gathering all the info I can and then make a decision based on what I have learned! Over the years I have discovered that nobody can manage my money better than I can so long as I research the investment to my satisfaction! The Oxford Club has provided me with good info and the times that I have followed their recomendations I have done well! They are not 100% right all the time but neither am I!!!

  45. marielle Says:

    The people's feedback(s) on the Oxford Communique was useful to me.
    I would appreciate receiving more feedback on Oxford - would anyone tell me the price
    of its/their more expensive membership(s) with The Oxford's group? Are they worth
    the extra money(s)? Thank you

  46. michael lo Says:

    like to try the letter 1st

  47. Kat Says:

    I have not joined the Oxford Club but am very interested in the Momentum Alert. I know they are not a scam as I have researched Alex Green and he is definitely a professional financial guy with an impressive resume. The only other company I can compare it to is The Elevation Group out of Austin, Texas. I warily joined their group 2 years ago. Their goal is to teach the middle class how to 'invest like the rich' do. Don't work for money but make money work for you. Sounds cheesy and gimmicky but I am in a unique situation...have a ton of entrepreneur back ground and decided to give it a try. I have zero regrets as it has put me on the right track. The REAL question you have to ask....are these groups trying to sell you an easy path get rich quick? For there is not such thing...everything takes work. EVG educates. It is up to me to act upon what I learn and it takes a lot of work and research for the things I have chosen to act upon.

    Sounds exactly the same for the Oxford Club.

    My question is this:

    I received an 'offer' for Momentum Alert to receive 6 months FREE. I have to pay $995 for the year. They say the 1st 6 months is $995 and the last 6 months is 'free'. How much is it normally for a full year of Momentum Alert?

  48. Sean mc cool Says:

    I would be interested in hearing concrete evidence of scam. Speculation is not evidence! The OXFORD CLUB has strong background.
    It's originators included (as far asI can recall) the past chairman of a large newspaper group. I have been a member for al long time and,although I have not yet invested, I am much encouraged by the comments above and intend to commence right away.
    It would be useful if OXFORD CLUB gave a comment?

    To profit.

  49. Lori Elsa Says:

    I listened to the recording for a while.

    It started to get repetitive. I HATE these videos that do not even tell me how many minutes long they are.

    I started thinking it was making outrageous claims that kept on repeating over and over. It started to sound more and more fake as my patience started to wear thin.

    They do not seem to know that a lot of people are not fooled by pictures and high dollar amounts or that the more they keep going around and around with these claims the more fake it sounds. If someone could really be lulled into a trance by this thing I would worry about them.

    I felt like if this was genuine, we would be hearing about destitute people who made money this way instead of ones we might idolize. If they use higher entities to make you think this is "where it's at" then it feels like a package of hot air.

    It was also starting to translate in a way to where I felt like there are some evil forces at work.

    Next I'll try to unearth some news reports about them since the above posters are total strangers to me.

  50. Random Investor Says:

    I am a member of the Oxford Club, and can say with confidence it is not a ponzi. The Oxford Club has more than a dozen newsletters and periodic "alerts" suggesting markets strategies to its readers. Each newsletter or alert requires an individual annual subscription, with some of them being quite expensive for the average investor. It is up to the investor as to what they do with the information in relation to their personal brokerage accounts. The Oxford Club is not a brokerage, and does not handle investments for its subscribers.

    Now as for the validity and timing of the information, that is a different type of discussion. I have not seen anything to suggest the Oxford Club would be involved in anything underhanded. However, any information used to make decisions in the market should be well researched by the investor.

  51. Jack Everett Says:

    You should edit this. It is not a scam or ponzi, your assumptions have been shown wrong. your CPA friend at work obviously did not investigate and neither did you.

    You have posted inaccurate information that makes liable conclusions. You should edit this and change the title as you have mislead many.

    Get to know the truth about something before you post!!

    I am not an employee or even a subscriber, I just hate to see false stuff and erroneous personal conclusions.
    You should also send and post an apology to the Oxford organization.

  52. Jack Everett Says:

    You should edit this. It is not a scam or ponzi, your assumptions have been shown wrong. your CPA friend at work obviously did not investigate and neither did you.

    You have posted inaccurate information that makes liable conclusions. You should edit this and change the title as you have mislead many.

    Get to know the truth about something before you post!!

    I am not an employee or even a subscriber, I just hate to see false stuff and erroneous personal conclusions.
    You should also send and post an apology to the Oxford organization.
    The same goes for those that blindly echoed your wrong conclusions.

  53. tom bleser Says:

    I'm sure there are lots of ways to steal from the government without going to jail. Those who try and do so deserve to be screwed. Most of what I used to get from these scumbags would insult the intelligence of a catatonic idiot.

  54. Sam Hannan Says:

    Some of the deliveries of Marc Lichtenfeld is too long and time consuming. If his claims are genuine he should try to cut his long deliveration down so that he can save time for the interested investors. He needs to prove his claims to be worthy within the first ninety days for investors to continue with his Oxford Club subscription

  55. Rippie Says:

    I have been a member for years. I have never made money even in this bull market

  56. William Says:

    I've read all the comments regarding the Oxford Club and I've concluded that they are a legitimate advice newsletter provider at different yearly subscription prices. Being legitimate may not dispel the ability of being misleading and unaccountable, that's the job of their disclaimers: "The Oxford Club is a financial publisher that does not act as a personal investment advisor for any specific individual. Nor do we advocate the purchase or sale of any security or investment for any specific individual". I even understand how some of their information is helpful toward investment decisions. However, a number of you profess that you've been with the club for years and in fact have made tons/lot of money. So, my question is pretty simple, how is the term "a ton/lot of money" being defined? Although I've read a lot of comments that vouched for this organization and it's income producing advise or return on investment (ROI), what I haven't heard is one person who can substantiate the organization's repeated claims of outrageous sums of ROI over short periods of time (or better termed as get rich quick from our privy information). Their simplistic mathematics indicated the high probability of the large and quick being somewhat factual at nearly any sum of monetary investment via their secret information sources and eliteness. IMO, one would believe that you guys who've been member for years, to including employees privy to their systems and/or at pricier subscription level would be sitting on at least a million in direct relations to the guidance provided and in accordance to the big talk claims of extreme ROI noted in the lengthy presentation and sales pitch. What am I missing?

  57. Steve Says:

    The Oxford Club is basically a investing club, where you pay a club fee and they provide you with investing ideas on legitimate stock market companies listed on the NASDAQ and the DOW. I have been a member since yr09 and have made 30% on my investment. But with that, they also show you and explain to you the proper investing strategies, so that it limits your down side.

  58. Bobby Says:

    Advise for 50.00 dollars is not expensive.
    $2500.00 dollars turned in to $20,000.00 Twenty thousand .
    git rich
    Quick YEA YES it took twenty or more years. 1987 to 2004. WAL MART After the 87 CRASH ??
    I am a member of several Clubs.
    Spend the $50.00 dollars and invest $100.00 Weekly or Monthly. $50.00 if nothing else .Growth and Iicome will work if u stay with it for life .

    there will be some loozers. and weeners.
    I dunt do Options to riisky fer me.
    Dont know the ropes.

  59. TNflash Says:

    I too subscribe to various investing letters. The Oxford Investment Club makes their money off of selling investing advice and educating investors. They do not tell individual investors how to invest but they do make lots of recommendations for products (ie. stocks, bonds, etc)that they consider to be good buys. The sales hype should be taken with a grain of salt. Everyone has great winners and we all have great losers. If I am selling a news letter, I am not going to tell you about the losers until after you subscribe. I try to learn from their teaching examples especially about buying bonds. I like the way they break down investing in retirement, investing to catch up for retirement, and just investing. I don't buy everything they recommend. In their growth and income letter they are truthful in they show the date when they recommended a stock and what the running YTD, 1 yr. etc. returns are from that date. Like in another investment letter, most of their picks are outstanding, some aren't but they publish them all. This tells me they have honesty and integrity.

  60. TNflash Says:

    The Oxford Income Club is legit and respected. They make money off of selling news letters that contain good investment advice and investment education tips. That does not mean that a scammer can not illegally use their name to sell a worthless investment. Subscribe, its worth the 50 dollars intro yearly price. Be cautious and check things out before investing in anything. If the news letter you have, wants you to invest thru them and send the investment money to them, it is a scam. The Oxford club does not invest for individuals. They sell investment letters, and investment learning trips.

  61. Frank Says:

    I can see why only a small percentage of the population is wealthy after reading the comments.

  62. gn87man Says:

    So true Frank! LOL!

    Personally, I subscribed to the Oxford Club newsletter back in 2005 and 2006. It is NOT a scam. I subscribed to the $50 per year newsletter. I took the recommendations from this newsletter and invested with my broker at the time. If I remember correctly, I made about 18% total gains each of these years following the strategies in the Oxford Club newsletter.

    They are legitimate.

  63. InvestorBob Says:

    I've received an offer to subscribe to The Oxford Communique for $39 bucks, and in doing my due diligence to decide whether or not to subscribe, I stumbled upon this forum. I'm not exactly new to Oxford, as I have done business with a similar organization named Tycoon Report, which was renamed IFII before it merged to become part of the Oxford Club and Investment U. I've received plenty of emails from the various Oxford newsletter writers, but have not subscribed to any yet. In reading through the comments here and on StockGumshoe, I'll throw my 39 bucks at them to take a closer look.

    To all of the scam and ponzi commenters, pull your head out of the sand and take a look before jumping to conclusions. After all, I'd be willing to bet that the majority of you already pay money into a ponzi scheme called Social Security!

    Don't trust Oxford? Well, why not learn how to do your own investing using the same strategies Warren Buffett learned. He's made a buck or two over the years, so why not copy him? Yes, I'm a life member, and they have helped me more than any other organization. And yes, I retired a few years ago and make my money off the stock market now, plus a little beer money that SS ponzi deal sends me!

    If you've read this far, well here's a hot stock tip. Not really, as there is no stock to buy yet, but be aware that a big change is coming soon regarding energy. Soon could mean a year from now, but more than likely within 20 years. So in the next several years the only place to buy a gallon of gas may be off the shelf at places like Walmart. Other than your 55 Chevy Sunday cruiser, most cars will be electric, and powered by this new energy source, as will be your house.

    What is this new energy source? Remember Pons and Fleischmann from 1989 when they announced they had discovered cold fusion? They were laughed out of town (actually, out of the country), but what they discovered was eventually proven to be true, and many scientists have been working on it ever since. One company says they are close to marketing a microwave oven sized power cell that kicks out several kilowatts, which is enough to power your house or a car.

    In the meantime, I'll give the Oxford newsletter a try. The more investment idea's, the better!

  64. TNflash Says:

    The Oxford Club sells investing advice. They sell several subscriptions that cover different investing strategies from investing in stocks for dividends, to game changer technology stocks, to bond recommendations,to options trading. You can buy all the subscriptions for about 12 thousand a year or pay even more for a permanent life time membership. They are similar to subscribing to other investing news letters such as the the Motley Fool publications but they are rated higher than the rest.

  65. michael crowley Says:

    Dear Mr. Green:

    Here is a novel idea, why doesn't your publication and other publications such as The Palm Beach Letter,Stansberry Investment Research, Motley Fool Wealth Management, Money & Markets, Bonner & Partner, Weis Research and Wall Street Daily, Growth Stock Wire, The Dividend Machine - offer free subscription until a hit is made on one of your recommendation? I suggested this idea to Stansberry - but never received a reply! Frown What do you say? Mike

  66. John R. Says:

    The Oxford Club is a scam.

  67. Steve Says:

    I've been receiving the Oxford Club's Communique for a number of years now and their advice, approach, and recommendations have been pretty good. Their reasoning is usually solid and they don't promote wild speculation. You can follow the portfolio they recommend online and track its progress. Since I've been following it for years, I can see that they are not playing games with it and their track record is quite good. I saw someone on here had an offer to get the Communique for $39. That's a great deal. I'd gladly pay that price for a subscription.

    For years, they have been sending me advertisements for premium newsletters, but I haven't bit. The Communique is quite good and unless I can find evidence that the other ones are really worth the premium, I'll be sticking with the Communique for now.

    Right now though, the one other service I am looking at is the Oxford Club Income Letter and looking to see if it is worth subscribing too. It seems like solid income plays are not a bad way to go, unless you're in a more gambling spirit.

  68. Craig Says:

    No comment on Oxford, but just a note that I found this because I have an old booklet they put out on wealth from about 2000 that sounds a lot like a fly by night hype organization, and I was curious if they were out of business soon after with a lot of complaints, and found this and see no, they look more legitimate and are still going fine. Sounds like the expected financial investment advice publisher that might be just fine.

  69. Clint Says:

    Has anyone received money from unclaimed money site if so what`s the amount. Next did anybody get money back from the rebate program he talk about in the presentation of 23 cash rebate or money from the social security loophole or the retiree cash rebate are any of the claims he made. I just hear people talking about they made money what about all the other claims made?

  70. TNflash Says:

    The Oxford Club is not a scam. It’s not a Ponzi scheme. It is a monthly newsletter that alerts investors to various hopefully lucrative investments. The Oxford Club does offer a bunch of different investment subscriptions that they hope to sell. That is how they make their money. The Oxford Club does not invest your money. The fifty dollars only buys a one year subscription to one of their investment advisory subscriptions. It is up to your grandfather to decide if he wants to invest in their recommendations. The advice they give works out most of the time but occasionally it doesn't. No one can tell what the stocks in the stock market will or will not do with 100% certainty all the time. The Oxford Club does try to educate their readers on how to make money investing in stocks, bonds, drips, and various other ways of investing. Their newsletter list 3 portfolios that you can follow or even match them with your own money. They list when they invested in each recommended investment, how much they invested, and the rate of return (or loss) on the investment to date. They give reviews on why they recommend certain investments and why and when they sell them out of their recommended portfolios. The hype used to sell the newsletters like the Oxford Club, Motley Fool, Franklin Report etc. often includes claims of big rewards made in the past on their best investment picks. The editors hardly ever tell when they purchased the investments or how much they invested initially only the rate of return and how much was made. I suspect the claims are usually based on penny stocks or tech stocks that once soared, or investments they have owned for 10 years or more. A stock that increases 4 percent a year for 10 years has a 40% return. A 40 percent return sounds great if it were made in a month, six months or even a year or two but not so great for a ten year investment. I still recommend the Oxford Club because once you get their subscription you can see exactly all the details of their investment recommendations plus they give good advice on how to invest, how to lower your taxes, IRS rules and a lot of other good educational information. Most of the better investment advisory subscriptions do the same. It is up to the subscriber to decide how much they want to spend on obtaining advice, and which publication gives the best advice for maximizing their investment returns. Subscribers should be aware that 80 percent of financial advisers cannot beat the return on a market index fund following the SPX 500. However, following the advice of the professionals that write the news letters is usually better than the uneducated investing blindly on their own.... especially in these turbulent markets.

  71. Cynthia Says:

    Hey Clint, I just watched the presentation you're referring to, I get emails from Wealth Advisory which seems to be connected to The Oxford Club and I may even be a subscriber to the Wealth Advisory. Anyway, this is the 2nd time I've heard about the 23 Cash Rebates, and now the offer includes about 4 other newsletters that have to do with making easy money. Yes, it sounds a bit like the old adage, "too good to be true" but since they offer a 90- day money back guarantee I've decided to go for it. If I succeed in using any of the secrets to make easy money I'll comeback and post to this site. Wish me luck!

  72. Jose Says:

    I became a member of Oxford Communique because of the hype and promise in their advertised news letter. The investment recommended in their news letter was nothing I considered uniqe. I watched the recommendations for eight months and was not very impressed. When the January 2016 market hit nobody saw it coming. They also keep sending hype of get rich schemes. I looked at their investment advise but did not invest any money because I did not trust it. I also keep getting hype to buy expensive investment advise promising to get rich with it. At eight months I decided to cancel and was told that no membership fee could be refunded it was to late to cancel. I told them please make sure you do not auto renew my membership. My name is on the email and mailing list of the investment advise news letter I receive a lot of them now. There are so many out there cant say if one is better than the other. When my old broker gave me advise he charged a commission, he sometimes hit and sometimes he missed. At least his investment advise was unique.

  73. amastewa93 Says:

    This is an obvious scam.

  74. Steve Says:

    I don't know about their additional services but their main newsletter has not been a scam. And I've been receiving it for many years. Their recommendations, on balance, have performed well. You also have to follow their advice on when to get out of a stock.

  75. TNflash Says:

    I too am amazed at the number of people who have posted that know nothing about investing in the markets and who would rather believe gossip instead of doing their own research. This is a bad habit that cost them and our society greatly. I do fault the CPA in the original post for giving bad advice which started this whole blog. Makes me wonder if it was really a CPA or a glorified book keeper that knows how to count money and nothing about how to invest it. Maybe it was a made up character the poster was using to slime a legitimate business they had a beef with. I now know how Hillary and Trump, the two most hatted political candidates in the election, are the front runners. Apparently no one has investigated the alternatives found in the Green and Libertarian parties. For example the Libertarian party is offering a candidate that should have been on the Republican ticket if the Republicans were not so crooked looking out for the deep pocketed ultra rich backers they cater too. The Green Party candidate has a platform very close to Bernie Sander's platform who would have been the Democrat candidate if crooked Hillary and her insider backers had not cheated him of the Democrat party election which just proved how crooked the current Democrat Party is too. I can't put the blame entirely on uninformed people though. The "news" media in the United States is controlled. We only get to see who the true power brokers want us to see and who they are handing to us to elect. Its a crying shame that we no longer get to choose our leaders but have our leaders handed to us and announced to us by the bought off media. No wonder nothing has changed in government and the top 5% keep getting richer and richer while the middle class that they leech and live off are getting poorer and poorer. The very rich control which of their actors for which we get to vote. I do not expect things to change until everyone starts doing their own investigations instead of relying on the generated TV and magazine propaganda and gossip. If the majority of these posts are any indication, I am not very optimistic of any change happening.

  76. Eddie Boy Says:

    I don't think That The Oxford Club is a scam or a Ponzi scheme. Rather, it is a very sophisticated way to separate you from your money, all in a legitimate way.
    First they offer you a very low, appealing introductory rate in order to get you to join. Along with this you get some very basic rudimentary info. Once enrolled, you get bombarded with all kinds of offers, each promoting untold wealth and riches if you subscribe! But, each subsequent offer is exponentially more costly than the one that preceded it. As an example, once I joined, I received no less than 55 emails most of which were promoting various other segments of the Oxford Club. Naturally, each of these separate segments came with its own enrollment fee. By the way, those 55 emails all came within a two week period of joining. Tried to go to their online page to discontinue membership and got re-directed to a page where they give a phone number to call; tried to call several times (on different days) only to be told there's a 20 minute wait time. So I decided to write them; still awaiting their response.

  77. Shadow Says:

    As semi-retired, are there better ways to help supplement an income then the "Oxford income letter" offered for $49.00 w/o doing the research on one's own?
    BTW, I did not check the box to accept the other affiliates e-mails, so I hope they are not going to be forthcoming.
    Also the green/libertarian parties are a Pandora's box leading to more chaos. We need more patriots in government,not politicians. There is no position less of than a politician, except a lawyer and Hillary is both. At the very least, Trump is a business man and a patriot. Don't believe it's a good thing for a business man to be president, but it is better than an elitist lawyer/politician like Hillary. The socialist Bernie, who spent his honeymoon in Moscow, should have stayed there if he thinks socialism is the best way of life, but he didn't!? Why is that? How is there poor and rich people under socialist governments? Are not they all suppose to have equal of everything? Some how the money seems to rise to the top w/those in charge!??
    Our young people come out of our public school system w/socialist ideas instead of the ability to think for one's self. To be able to reason and discern life's problems. Our nations history has been removed so that the young people have no idea what being an American means or where it should take them. They are not taught the importance of or given the tools for self-discipline, which makes for good citizenship. Their allegiance is more to pokemon then to the U.S. or it's flag, for which much blood has been shed to protect our constitutional freedoms, which have come under attack by political and judicial hacks.
    Thanks for allowing me to rant.

  78. Craig Says:

    No offense, but so much ignorance shadow.

    Trump is the opposite of a patriot - Hillary is much more one than trump, though she is not an especially good candidate.

    you really need to learn just how bad and dangerous trump is. The ignorance of voters about him is a danger.

    There are reasons more informed people are against trump massively.

    Republican newspapers that have never endorsed a Democrats in 126 years endorsed Hillary.

    USA Today that has never taken a position in a presidential election for the first time came out against trump.

    trump is a mentally ill sociopath narcissist who is quite literally a danger to the country and the world.

    He's not even a legitimate businessman - he's one of the most crooked around.

    Had he simply invested the money he inherited in a mutual fund, he'd have a lot more wealth than he does. He's cheated people thousands of times.

    He's a pathological liar. Again literally.

    You don't understand Bernie, either. He's a *Democratic* Socialist. He's against the Soviet system.

    His 'honeymoon in Russia' is a smear. He was part of a peace group that visited Russia soon after he got married.

    There are rich and poor under Democratic Socialism - look at Scandavian countries - but not to the extreme we have and with much less poverty.

    Bernie is the best candidate we've had in decades for president, but he didn't win the primary despite doing extremely well.

    But you have a lot to learn about trump.

    Why don't you start by reading the interview with the actual author of trump's book, "the art of the deal", who got to know trump well and strongly opposes him?

  79. AHart Says:

    What do you think about the latest article by Alex Green? Read it. and tell me what do you think? That's a "too good to be true" message. If the gov't. is so far in the "Red" with finances, how can they give you back that kind of money? Read the article on the BIG Cash REBATE for TAXPAYERS for 2016.$42.4 Billion.

  80. SteveB Says:


  81. Cynthia Says:

    First, thank you Craig, for setting the record straight - I couldn't have said it any better. Second, I'm back to report my findings after subscribing to the Oxford Club and getting the scoop on how one goes about collecting all that rebate money from the fed for every single purchase you make. Here's the deal:
    Instead of using the standard tax table to calculate what you owe the IRS in April, you can save all of your receipts for every purchase you make over the course of the year, and submit the total dollar amt you paid in sales tax. That's it ... And if you paid more in sales taxes than you owe according to the tax tables, you get this "rebate."
    So yes, the wording is misleading, as you certainly do NOT get a rebate for every single purchase you make, shoes, a new dress, a car etc. I cancelled my subscription within the grace period and got a refund. Think I'll go back to Vanguard Funds.

  82. Shadow Says:

    First, allow me to state, I'm an independent voter not affiliated w/either party. I vote for the man not the party.
    Sorry Craig and Cynthia. Sounds like the both of you have been drinking the liberal cool-aid. Trump is pro-America, unlike the alternative. She's great for throwing out insults and talking about Trump instead of her own record. She has nothing to "run" on. Her "3 o'clock in the morning" comment she made to Romney came back to bite her w/bengazi. Where was she when the call came in for help? why was the 600 requests for increased security denied when all other foreign embassies were closed due to the instability of the Libyan government. Caused by a bad decision made by Hillary herself. Did she happen to mention the 3 hour delay in sending troops in to help the 36 American civilians under siege. They were ordered to change their uniforms 4 time in those three hours so as not to "offend" the host nation!!!! Had not the 4 patriots from the CIA compound not ignored the "stand-down" order, to come to their rescue. All 36 would probably have been sacrificed to protect Hillary's political career. As it was, 33 were saved but were required to sign an affidavit before being released, not to make mention of the events of the night.(the 13 hours)Howbeit, 4 were killed including the ambassador Stephens. Is that your idea of a patriot? Then you vote for her. She is a traitor just like Obama. They are globalist, that's why they don't want the boarders closed. That's why it took 3 days of protests by dem's to get them to display an American flag at the DN convention. The camera had to scan back away from the front of the stage, so you could see down both sides before you were able to see any flags. (And she's your choice?
    Trump's a pathological liar? I believe it was Comey who said, Hillary lied to the people about her e-mails and not having received or sent classified information on an illegal server. Or maybe the FBI is lying?
    She was caught stealing a lamp/furniture from the White house when the Clinton's left the office.
    She threw a bible at and struck one of the secret service agents in the head, not to mention verbally abusing the agents if they looked at her. Yeah, she's a real patriot.
    It's funny, I don't remember the USA Today making any mentions of those events? Do you? The term "lap-dog" does come top mind.
    Oh the Scandinavians! I have worked along side several and when I asked them what are they doing here in America? they reply w/They get paid better and can save money so when they retire they can move back home for free health care, etc. from their government. The old saying comes to mind, "socialism works until they run out of other peoples money."
    Bernie is a loser. If he really believed in the socialist idea, why didn't he move to Scandinavia and help them w/his ideas? Because he wants more then the pittance their government offers their people and he can't get it over there. Bernie's a millionaire here, like the Clinton's. She claims leaving the w/h in debt and is purportedly worth $100.000,000.00 today!? How did she do that? Maybe she should share that secret w/her followers instead of her hate-bating and mud slinging?
    Trump is a patriot alright, who would take money out of their own pocket to the tune of 10's of millions of dollars to run for a job that pays $450,000.00? unless they were worried about the direction of the country? Hillary wouldn't do it. how much has she pulled from her pocket so far??? And poor Bernie was under-mind by the DNC like Trump by the RNC. Only the free thinkers pushed him passed the RNC.
    If I'm the ignorant one, then you two should be wearing the "Dunce cap".

  83. TNflash Says:

    Shadow, the last I read, Bernie was worth $800,000 which means he is probably the only senator that is not a millionaire. Most become multimillionaires before they finish serving their first term, I can only suppose from bribes and "gifts". None of them are worth the $200,000 a year plus expenses they are paid. I do think Bernie was the most capable and honest democrat running and John Kasich was the most capable and honest republican running. I have pondered why the country always gets two turds to chose from when selecting a president. My opinion is we do not actually get to pick our leaders any more. They are handed to us by the controlling elite and the media they control tells everyone for whom to vote. I guess the Romans had the gladiators to entertain the masses, we have reality TV elections. Donald Trump has made this election the most entertaining one I have seen in my life time although I do not think he is presidential material, unfortunately, I do not think Hillary is either nor are the other candidates from the Green and Libertarian parties. That said, you must have listened to another one of Trumps lies about spending tens of millions from his own pocket to run for president. He spent 1.8 million not from his pocket but from his charitable tax deductible Trump trust. He was able to get by on the cheap because he manipulated the stupid media into giving him free media coverage by calling everyone and anyone names. Of course you can say that that is better management of money than spending the 130 million Jeb spent before he dropped out. I guess W needed to paint more pictures to get his brother over the top. I am glad the Federal Reserve and Congress control the country's finances. If it were left to Hillary or Trump we would be in really big trouble.

  84. TNflash Says:

    Shadow, the last I read, Bernie was worth $800,000 which means he is probably the only senator that is not a millionaire. Most become multimillionaires before they finish serving their first term, I can only suppose from bribes and "gifts". None of them are worth the $200,000 a year plus expenses they are paid. I do think Bernie was the most capable and honest democrat running and John Kasich was the most capable and honest republican running. I have pondered why the country always gets two turds to chose from when selecting a president. My opinion is we do not actually get to pick our leaders any more. They are handed to us by the controlling elite and the media they control tells everyone for whom to vote. I guess the Romans had the gladiators to entertain the masses, we have reality TV elections. Donald Trump has made this election the most entertaining one I have seen in my life time although I do not think he is presidential material, unfortunately, I do not think Hillary is either nor are the other candidates from the Green and Libertarian parties. That said, you must have listened to another one of Trumps lies about spending tens of millions from his own pocket to run for president. He spent 6.8 million not from his pocket but from tax deductible Trump business loans to him. He was able to get by on the cheap because he manipulated the stupid media into giving him free media coverage by calling everyone and anyone names. Of course you can say that that is better management of money than spending the 130 million Jeb spent before he dropped out. I guess W needed to paint more pictures to get his brother over the top. I believe Trump is a modern PT Barnum and wants the office of president to be able rip the taxpayers off line his pockets. Hillary I believe is on a power trip. Neither should be president. Trump is crooked, Hillary knows the ins and outs of Washington but can not seem to make the right decisions. I am very glad the Federal Reserve and Congress control the country's finances. If it were left to Hillary or Trump we would be in really big trouble.

  85. SOJOURNERJ Says:

    The initial posting that started this discussion assumed, and glibly labled, The Oxford Club as a Ponzi Scheme without really looking into it. The next 9 or 10 comments blindly follow the Ponzi Scheme assumption, offering their "expert" opinions and cautions against this erroniously labled "Ponzi Scheme", which, in reality is a legitimate investment ADVICE publication. (In other words, for those commenters who did not bother to look for facts, the publication offers investment ADVICE. While the Oxford Club has three levels of membership, at three different fee levels, it does not encourage you to invest further monies into the Club.) The Oxford Club charges a subscription fee, just as National Geographic, Readers Digest, Consumers Reports, and Good Housekeeping charge a fee for their subscriptions. I don't think that charging for a subscription to a publication fits the definition of a Ponzi Scheme. (How in the world did the first writer, and all of those who blindly jumped on the Ponzi Scheme theme, come up with the idea that a subscription fee is automatically a Ponzi Scheme?) The Oxford Club is a legitimate organization that offers serious investment advice. (You will, unfortunately, be sent many emails encouraging you to subscribe to sister newsletters, but you will not be urged to "invest" more and more money into a Ponzi Scheme.) As with any investment advice publication, one needs to study an investment before putting money into it. I reiterate, The Oxford Club is legitimate, and the beginning of this column does it a disservice by jumping to a completely unwarranted conclusion with no factual basis. The Oxford Club ads are dramatic and are designed to catch your attention. A dramatic ad doesn't mean that it is automatically promoting a Ponzi Scheme. There is nothing wrong with BB subcribing to, and then investigating The Oxford Club's reccommendations before choosing to invest. The people who are urging that BB be discouraged from subcribing to the publication might do well to learn to investigate before vilifying someone or something. Many people are growing their savings by following the various stock investors who write for this publication. I have been happy with my Oxford Club subscription.

  86. Craig Says:

    Cynthia thanks for the nice words and the research.

    Since I have nothing good to say about shadow after a little of his post...

  87. Donni DeHoux Says:

    I found this all to be amazing and how it change from being about investments to politics. What i didn't see was that it's not your vote it's the electoral vote that counts.

  88. Lisa Zysk Says:

    I just got a letter in mail about a man turning $11,000 into 18 million dollars in 18 months. At the end of the letter it says if you invest $5,900 for this information you get this information for life and can also will this to your children and grandchildren.
    Do you think that is legitimate? I get so many things like this in the mail and wonder if anyone ever made so much money in such a short time. I have invested in a bond a ear ago and this year I was told that the company went bankrupt. I am so disgusted that in all the years I invested in anything I never had any gains amounting to anything.

  89. Craig Says:

    Lisa, not a chance. It's worrying that you ask the question. Can I suggest you get an independent investment adviser, who doesn't make money by selling you anything.

  90. Mobster Says:

    I was led to believe that at the start of the video the guy said that you would get free info, maybe I was wrong. So why is there a cost at the end of this very long video?

    Has anyone tried any of the things posted in their reports and if so what was the outcome?

  91. marie Says:

    Is this club/newsletter recommended for young and amateur invrstor? I don't have any retirement accounts (i.e. 401k, pension, etc.). I only have my hard earned money collecting in my savings account.

  92. Ken Lane Says:

    Please cancel my subscription.

    Thanks -

    4314 Greentree Way
    Sand Springs, OK 74063

  93. David owens Says:

    Please cancel my Oxford letter membership be immedeatly

  94. Roger Says:

    Shadow, I appreciate your comments. TNflashs, so happy you think John Kasich is an honest politician. The Governor made a pledge to support whoever the Republican nominee would be and then renigged on it as soon as Trump won. As for Mr. Bernie, he used his position and influence on the banks to approve the loan Jane Sanders was trying to get for Burlington College. You have a funny definition of honest politician.

    No Trump isn't perfect but he is exponentially better for business and investing than either Bernie of Hillary on their best days.

    As for Oxford, it's easier be critical on something you are too lazy to research than to follow the facts by doing a through "Due Dilligence." The fact is you will always have naysayers who stand ready to pop your ballon with one flick of a hangnail.

  95. DrClaronEdwards Says:

    subscribe Oxford Newsletter

  96. Sylvester Says:

    Craig, you are so prescient. Even last year, you saw and were able to speak the obvious to things that most of us wanted to excuse or not see. This blog is supposed to be a discussion about the Oxford Club that digressed to politics. Investing and politics are tied together, thus my response to you after observing Trump as POTUS in action for more than 6 months.

    You said:

    ". . . you really need to learn just how bad and dangerous trump is. The ignorance of voters about him is a danger.

    There are reasons more informed people are against trump massively. . . .

    USA Today that has never taken a position in a presidential election for the first time came out against trump.

    trump is a mentally ill sociopath narcissist who is quite literally a danger to the country and the world.

    He's not even a legitimate businessman - he's one of the most crooked around.

    Had he simply invested the money he inherited in a mutual fund, he'd have a lot more wealth than he does. He's cheated people thousands of times.

    He's a pathological liar. Again literally. . . .

    But you have a lot to learn about trump.

    Why don't you start by reading the interview with the actual author of trump's book, "the art of the deal", who got to know trump well and strongly opposes him?"

    Oh, my! And the drama continues . . . .

  97. Duped Says:

    Oxford club sole purpose is to sell subscriptions at unherd of prices. None of their programs ever amount a hill of beans. It's just more banyard and they have your money.

  98. Carol Says:

    Someone said that Peter Brimelow had written positively about the Oxford Club. That is enough for me. I have met and talked with him face to face and have read some of his writings as well. This is a man I trust. He would not be writing positively about it if it were a scam. I hope that helps.

  99. SteveB Says:

    They do try to sell other, premium newsletters, but there is no hard sell. If you don't want it you don't sign up. I've been using the basic one for years and the advice has been very sound and worth the cost of admission many times over.

  100. peggy Says:

    After you give the the 50 dollars for subscription are there any low investments to buy in to? Say like 20 dollars - 50 dollars. Or are all the investments 1,000-or higher?

  101. SteveB Says:

    They're just normal priced stocks. So far I've only used their basic subscription and their recommendations have worked out pretty well.

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    I have a rule - I won't watch an ad that's a video.

  103. Meredith H Says:

    Carol said that if Peter Brimelow supports the Oxford Club then she is all for it. Brimelow is head of a anti-immigrant group labeled by the ACLU as a HATE group. He is a racist and a white supremacist. what a guy! Yes, let's use him as our barometer of whether or not something is worth supporting. Is this woman insane?!

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    I checked the BBB on it and they give it a A+ rating. This has been around for years also. One thing I know is that the BBB is got a icon for that One World Government thing. That means they are part of the Ultra Riches scams. I would not do it or trust it. If you sign up you may be signing your life away with those turkey's. I like what I read about not being greedy and not getting caught up in those types of scams. I figure it does not hurt to try if it is for free. And that is as far as I go. Like PCH. I did that for years and never won a thing. But it was free so who cares. I do not buy their products because they are dollar store items priced at 3 to 30 times their value. But It is free to enter so I do it. What a wast of time though? lol

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